Jaye and I had a stimultating discussion with farmer Ted Dobson, founder of the first Western Massachusetts organic farm, Equinox Farm.  Broadcasted Feb. 17, 2025 at berkshireradio.org, WBCR-LP 97.7 FM Great Barrington MA.  Here is a link:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ROLJ6gdMtiDHPOLXx3MxSeRcnDjPsADq/view?usp=sharing